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Washington Mutual demanda a la FDIC por 17 billones US$ + daños

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#1721

Respeto, más análisis y menos superficialidad en un foro de inversión...

Jesús, independientemente como sea el desenlace, no dudo de tu honorabilidad y te agradezco que hayas aportado tu opinión al foro sobre este valor. Te sigo desde marzo, cuando compré WAMU.

Al amigo Martínez, por favor participa con argumentos. Es correcto confrontar las ideas, aunque sean estas menos optimistas pero hay que dar razones con más peso.

Lo que digas puede ser frontal pero el trato no tiene porque ser conflictivo. Yo aceptaría de buen grado el contrapeso al optimismo de Jesús pero nunca en plan ofensivo. Eso no es correcto.

Tampoco es muy ético y ya no lo digo por el Sr. Martínez, llamarle pillados a unas personas que se han incorporado al valor cuando estaba en el pico. Ese trato también es desconsiderado y de personas superficiales.

Hacen falta argumentos, datos, investigaciones, traducciones del inglés, análisis... no insultos.

Busquemos el equilibrio entre la cordialidad y el espíritu crítico aunque sea incisivo.

#1722

Re: respeto, más análisis y menos superficialidad en un foro de inversión...

Este hilo da gusto seguirlo, cuando todos aportan su sana vision que obviamente tiene discrepancias, pero que contribuyen a enriquecer el foro. Pero mas alla de las discrepancias, a todos nos anima un fin comun: sentir la satisfaccion de ganar,poco o mucho, pero ganar al final. Conoci a WAMU leyendo este hilo y entre en las WAMPQ por mi propia decision. Tengo claro que si al final pierdo sera por mi exclusiva responsabilidad, pero si gano, sera por merito de todos ustedes con quienes compartire aca la alegria. Eso si, el dinero lo disfrutare solo.
Un saludo a todos y en particular a Jesus a quien le pido que mantenga el mismo espiritu de marzo 2009.

#1723

Re: respeto, más análisis y menos superficialidad en un foro de inversión...

Estoy de acuerdo con vosotros. Una cosa es opinar y dar información (pesimista u optimista) sobre nuestra wamu y otra bien distinta es faltar el respeto a alguien, quien sin duda alguna, ese respeto lo tiene muy bien ganado en este foro.

#1724

Re: Mis disculpas a los miembros regulares de este foro

Mira que eres cansino, colega. ¿Por qué no te das una vuelta con tus amiguetes y dejas de cizañear en este foro tan bonito?
S2

#1725

Re: La Juez Walrath y su posición en el desenlace de los $4 Billones

Hola Jesus, en un foro americano sobre wamu, alguien preguntaba sobre cómo la juez va a hacer pública su decisión. Alguien sabe cómo y cuándo va a hacerse pública.

#1726

Tenemos un precedente: demanda presentada por First City Bancorporation en 1992

Os pego un texto encontrado donde se habla de un precedente en 1992 donde la FDIC se vio obligado por los tribunales a regresar 145 millones de dólares a los acreedores y depositantes, después de la toma de ese banco y sus activos. Además de poner finos a la FDIC, también lo hacen con JPM.

El texto dice (en inglés):

Hey you got to remember the 4 bil is just the ice berg we are playing for 10s of billions. The Fdic is a bunch of crooks they will lose below is the excerpt for precedence do your part as a Wamuq shareholder and demand justice.

www.wamurape.org Register and be counted!

"One of our goals is that the assets or at least the asset value of Washington Mutual be returned to the stockholders, just as they were in the lawsuit filed by First City Bancorporation in 1992. In that suit, (1993) the FDIC was forced by the courts to return 145 million dollars to creditors and depositors, after the seizure of that bank and its assets. The same situation happened here. Consequently, our members feel that there seems to be legal precedent for holding the FDIC accountable for their actions. Holding the FDIC accountable is exactly what the members of this organization intend to do.

For further information about events surrounding the seizure or to join the effort for justice, Click on the LINK .

Members of the group are currently seeking exceptional legal representation - the members of the United States Congress themselves! We ask for special legislation. We ask for special dispensation. We ask for Congressional support. We want our bank back - the FDIC should not have given it away to start with. We beseech our government to right this wrong."

Washington Mutual Bank (WAMU) shareholders are uniting to challenge the actions of the FDIC (the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation) and JPM (JP Morgan) prior to the seizure of Washington Mutual bank. Shareholders contend: 1) that these actions were unjustified 2) that they were unethical 3) that Washington Mutual Bank was not failing. As evidence of our claims, reports now surfacing indicate the liquidity of the bank was much better than the public was led to believe; by most accounts, the bank had enough funds to cover the withdrawals by depositors. Washington Mutual executives knew these facts; however, their claims made days before the seizure that the bank was in good health were ignored. We the concerned shareholders of WAMU contend that the FDIC was not right in doing so and has caused irreparable harm to the WAMU stockholders, to the banking community and to the markets in general. As a result of this action, shareholders of thousands of companies throughout the world have lost trillions of dollars since.

The FDIC seized Washington Mutual Bank saying there had been a bank run amounting to 16.7 billion dollars in 10 days. The reason this money was withdrawn from the bank is unknown. The FDIC saw money moving out of larger accounts and assumed a run was in progress. Just 2 weeks before the FDIC seized the bank WAMU had worked out a solid business plan with the OTC (Office of Thrift Supervision). At the time of seizure, WAMU had access to $50 billion in assets: sufficient liquidity to handle all their obligations. The situation, however, seemed different to the FDIC, whose reserves were low as a result of not collecting insurance premiums from 1996-2006 and the bank failures in the previous weeks. Appointed officials at the FDIC were concerned that if the failure of Washington Mutual was followed by other bank failures as well, the agency would not be able to handle the situation. Despite this concern, the FDIC had the ability to borrow $30 billion from the Federal Reserve; however, for some reason it did not do so. The FDIC’s move was more about protecting the federal deposit insurance company than about protecting the insured.

In short, the FDIC acted prematurely, behind closed doors. The Washington Mutual Executives had no prior knowledge of the FDIC’s plan. In fact, at the time of the seizure WAMU was in the midst of sale negotiations with several other banks, and had been given no deadline by the FDIC to find a buyer. Despite WAMU’s good-faith efforts to find buyers, banks which were contemplating buying Washington Mutual had been notified by the FDIC that the FDIC was to auction off the bank, again without WAMU’s knowledge. This FDIC action prevented a sale from being made. Even worse for WAMU, behind closed doors, the FDIC was offering prospective buyers a much sweeter deal than the ones WAMU was negotiating. The FDIC arranged for JPMorgan to purchase the $300 billion dollar corporation for the bargain price of 1.9.

The FDIC needs to be held accountable for its short sighted action which has caused havoc throughout world markets. The FDIC had many options in the event that WAMU faltered. The option chosen, seizing the bank and selling it overnight for a miniscule fraction of its value in a clandestine deal with JPMorgan, was the worst of any options they had. Did the FDIC act appropriately? Most shareholders don’t think so and they want the FDIC to answer for that.

The result of the FDIC’s hasty and secretive action was that the shareholders of Washington Mutual Bank lost billions of dollars. Shareholder portfolios were emptied overnight - because of collusion between the FDIC and JPM in weeks leading up to the seizure. Now, shareholders seek redress.

Never has the law been applied with such disregard for its intention. Government regulators, supposedly the ones responsible for protecting us, circulated insider information about the bank to its competitors and precipitated a catastrophic collapse whose repercussions are still being felt today.

Coincidentally, JPMorgan has been the institution which has profited handsomely from these failures. Coincidentally, the former head of the SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission) whose role is to oversee stock trading, works at JPMorgan, and this week was accused of private conversation causing difficulties that may have resulted in another recent bank failure, that of Bear Stearns. JPMorgan has also been accused of interfering in Lehman Brothers’ access to $5 billion dollars which helped catapult their demise. And the company has been accused of denying WAMU access to $5 billion dollars they had on deposit with JPMorgan.

Is this coincidence? We think not. We demand the FBI and the legislature thoroughly investigate the relationships and actions of the OTS , the FDIC, the SEC and JPMorgan management. We do understand that the government is currently investigating Washington Mutual, but we contend these other institutions need to be investigated as well.

One of our goals is that the assets or at least the asset value of Washington Mutual be returned to the stockholders, just as they were in the lawsuit filed by First City Bancorporation in 1992. In that suit, (1993) the FDIC was forced by the courts to return 145 million dollars to creditors and depositors, after the seizure of that bank and its assets. The same situation happened here. Consequently, our members feel that there seems to be legal precedent for holding the FDIC accountable for their actions. Holding the FDIC accountable is exactly what the members of this organization intend to do.

For further information about events surrounding the seizure or to join the effort for justice, Click on the LINK .

Members of the group are currently seeking exceptional legal representation - the members of the United States Congress themselves! We ask for special legislation. We ask for special dispensation. We ask for Congressional support. We want our bank back - the FDIC should not have given it away to start with. We beseech our government to right this wrong.

Select your language and click on the LINK

#1727

Re: Tenemos un precedente: demanda presentada por First City Bancorporation en 1992

LOS ACREEDORES VENIMOS SIENDO LOS ACCIONISTAS? ES DECIR SI LA DEMANDA PROSPERA ES UN HECHO QUE PAGARAN UN TANTO ACCIONARIO O BIEN EL DINERO ES PARA LA CASA MATRIZ WAMU? ESO ME TIENE ALGO INQUIETO.! :s
Alguien que me pueda aclarar? Espero haberme dado a entender.

#1728

Re: Tenemos un precedente: demanda presentada por First City Bancorporation en 1992

Te lo voy a decir de forma sencilla para que lo entiendas.Nosotros los accionistas seriamos en la escala los ultimos en cobrar en caso de que llegase el dinero.
Primero cobrarian los bonistas y acreedores.
Es decir , que primero cobrarian los que tengan acciones de WAHUQ,WAMKQ,WAMPQ,etc. Repito, nosotros serian los ultimos. En funcion de lo que diesen cobrariamos o no.Claro el potencial de revalorizacion en caso de que tengan que soltar la panoja y en cantidad, el mayor potencial repito seria para las comunes WAMUQ.AQUI SE APLICA EL BINOMIO DE RENTABILIDAD/RIESGO.