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Washington Mutual demanda a la FDIC por 17 billones US$ + daños

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#1697

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Jesus, Toneti, Ruben, Maximu...Yo creo que no merece la pena entrar en el juego de esta gente que entra al foro a dar por c.lo. Ya tenemos suficiente con aguantar dias como los de ayer y hoy como encima tener que dar explicaciones, faltaría mas.
Esto es muy fácil, el que no esté dispuesto a arriesgar que no entre en el valor y el que no aguante la presión que se salga, no hay más. Ya somos suficientemente adultos para saber lo que hacemos...

PD: Martinez si te aburres búscate una novieta cojones, que ya cansas...

#1698

Re: Bebe de tu propia medicina , Jesús.

Tranquilo Jesus. Ya volveran los "alcahuetes" de turno cuando vuelva la suba. Ahora a acampar hasta que pase la tormenta.

#1699

Apoyo a Jesus.

Apoyo 100% lo que expresa Mavercick, nadie nos obliga a invertir en Wamu, por favor los "nabos" que no estan de acuerdo tienen miles de millones de paginas para navegar en la web y no romper las pelotas aqui!

Jesus, tranquilo, sabemos que lo haces sin ningún tipo de interés!

Abracisimo

Dodge

#1700

Re: Washington Mutual demanda a la FDIC por 17 billones US$ + daños

Saludos a todos .Me acabo de dar de alta en este foro ya que a mi tambien me pillo wamu en el 2008,llevo varios dias siguiendo el hilo y no me queda otra nada mas que esperar a que empaqueten JPM.Si sale lo que jesus megias dice pues cojonudo que no sale pues una mata que no ha echado(la ruina es pequña) por cierto ayer compre unas cuantas a 0,177 no se si habre hecho bien pero "bueno"esperemos ver un pelin de luz al final del tunel.De nuevo saludos a todos.......................

#1701

Re: Washington Mutual demanda a la FDIC por 17 billones US$ + daños

Me sumo a la opinion de maverick.

el que entro arriba de 0.40 se supone que sabia lo que hacia y conoce la volatilidad que vivimos a diario, y si no lo sabia, pues... deberia haber leido algo antes de hacerlo. Yo cuando entre que fue con casi nulos conocimientos de bolsa, me lei todo sobre el OTC, y entendi que era dinero con altas chances de perderlo, asi y todo decidi entrar y (como dicen en argentina) "jugarmela".

no dejemos que el respeto que siemrpe existio en este thread desaparezca por unos "dias rojos".

#1702

Re: Bebe de tu propia medicina , Jesús.

Creo que no deberías entrar en polémicas y menos con ese estilo vulgar, que no es el tuyo. Quien pierde la compostura parece dar razones al adversario. Esas acusaciones que vierte el tal Martinezbcn son a mi modo de ver una pasada sin justificación. Que cada uno haga lo que deba hacer.

La jugada de Wamu puede salir bien o no, pero todos sabemos el riesgo que comporta y nadie está obligado a asumirlo, porque somos libres.

Saludos y que no decaiga el ánimo.

#1703

Informacion de otro foro americano sobre Wamuq

Por si os anima un poco son las impresiones de alguien que estuvo en la corte de bancarrota lo podeis traducir con el traductor de Google mi ingles no me da para hacerlo mejor
Salu2s

WAS IN THE COURT ROOM TODAY !!!

Just getting online now after driving from Wilmington down to the DC area where I have been traveling on business all week.

In addition to learning that BrewHaHa (cafe across from the Bankruptcy Court) has excellent coffee and scones; today's hearing was very insightful not for what I heard, but for the opportunity to size up each party's counsel, the judge and and hear conversations from the gallery of observers assembled.

1. Quinn Emmanuel delivered a very well articulated argument that from a delivery perspective was presented with confidence and received in an a matter of fact fashion by THJMW, and as Ellsberg hammered his argument home there was a great deal back and forth among S/C and poor Sachs looked like he wanted to vomit.

2. Either Sachs was under the weather today or his argumentative style matches the weakness and poor structure of his overall argument. Even though JPM and FDIC maintain a similar position on the 4B; the arguments they made from each perspective were disconnected, and in some cases in conflict. THJMW smirked at many points as if counsel was on the fringe and reaching in his effort to defend his position and the need for a full fledged trial on the 4B. Sachs was under visible pressure to deliver. JPM's argument could be sumized as if there "was" money there it is OURS; but we are NOT SURE if there was/is money so we can't give it to them (even though we are calling these core deposits and paying FDIC insurance premiums. Say what? Talk about trying to have it BOTH ways - THJMW's body language communicated the same.

3. FDIC's attorney did all but threaten both WMI and theTHJMW court, which Ellsberg addressed in his rebutle very well. During this argument, I found it was delivered simply as a warning to THJMW- No matter what you do, we'll use our power to grab the money "in flight" before it can be transfered to a non JPM account held by WMI. Eyebrow raising for sure but the judge seemed unwavering in her concentration and seemed underwhelmed as if to say "is this all you got?"

4. Big Money was represented in the room. Although only attorneys had to sign in today, it was evident by the pre trial conversations that hedge funds and other investor types in very expensive suits took the train down from the greater NYC area to SEE for themselves how this was proceeding. All, including myself, sat behind Team WAMU lead by Quinn Emmanuel with one eye on the showmanship and another on our blackberrys communicating back to a home base or trading minions.

5. More journalists today. Although this is the first hearing I have been at, and it is back to Wisconsin for me tomorrow, there were no less than 4 "back benchers" dressed in casual attire busily typing away from start to finish.

I was frustrated; (as I am sure many here were when you viewed the first AP blurb "spun" as though the judge was had delayed a ruling even though non was expected today and only JPM's argument was represented) I am glad to see that the follow up articles from the AP, Reuters, and others were more balanced and comprehensive in what actually happened today.

Overall impression:

Nothing about a long's (my) investment thesis was impacted today. As mentioned by JPM/FDIC counsel WMI is arguing illegal seizure and fraudulent transfer, and that the this 4B is one asset of many fraudulently transferred to JPM by result of the OTS and FDIC's accelerated auction process 13 months ago.

JPM/FDIC's accusation of fraudulent activities on the part of WMI management is irrelevant and beside the point as they are the unholy alliance that placed WMI in Chapter 11 today. This WMI estate, and not external or subordinate claims is the sole focus of THJMW's perspective. JPM/FDIC's sideshow and misdirection was not spectacular at all. I believe THJMW will provide clarity and focus on the core issues surrounding this estate very soon. She seemed to be loosing patience with the slug like pace JPM's team is taking on issues that are fairly basic and consistent.

The open question in my mind is that if THJMW does NOT rule in WMI's favor on the 4B; what other genuine leverage does she have to get the parties back to settlement table to finalize a global settlement? Perhaps some of the boards resident legal eagles will opine.

Overall, a great experience - I am glad I attended today.

JPM's lawyers are obviously fighting both the judge AND their client. They have no choice but to pursue any legal delay tactic, however specious, and the message to JPM is obviously: "Sooner or later she's going to rule against us; there's just so much we can do." This was clearly indicated by JPM attorney's body language: he knows his case is untenable and knows the judge knows. Thank you for bringing that visual information to the board. I find it highly significant.

JPM's implicit threat to S&C is: "Do you want us to get Paul Weiss or one of the other Wall Street firms to take over?"

Although it is obvious JD is really running this show and was present in that courtroom (I wouldn't be surprised if his general counsel had a hook up so that he could hear without officially signing in). What is not obvious is why WMI continues to forebear on the 2004 (i.e., no depositions). It may be that their investigations have not yet yielded a fatal smoking gun, or it may be that they're not ready to go nuclear.

#1704

Re: Informacion de otro foro americano sobre Wamuq

Una opinión en general favorable para WAMU. El valor agregado en este escrito es la descripción, de primera mano, del lenguaje corporal de los abogados de JPM.

Según el autor del escrito, los abogados de JPM, evidenciaban, con sus gestos, que su caso es insostenible y eran conscientes que la jueza lo sabe.

En resumen, su única táctica efectiva es la de demorar.