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#13913

Re: Cobas AM: Nueva Gestora de Francisco García Paramés

Greg Barnes

Okay. So second question, and Tim, you noted that the CRA decision could come any day. But Grant, could you clarify when the decision comes down if it goes against you is there a big cash payment required? If it goes for you do you get that prepayment back immediately? How is this going to play out when that decision comes down?

Grant Isaac

Yes, Greg, thank you for that question. I think there is a bit of confusion on what that exactly looks like. And we'll take some responsibility for it. Because remember, we have a lot of voluntary disclosure out there on this case. We have put this voluntary disclosure out there that suggests that what the worst case scenario, for example, would look like for '03 all the way to 2017. And in that worst case scenario we're talking about a potential $2 billion cash liability. But it's important to emphasize, there is no outcome where all of that would be due at once, even in an adverse decision. And the reason is that's voluntary disclosure that pertains to years that are well beyond what's before the court. And actually well beyond what we've actually been reassessed on.

What's before the court is '03, '05, and'06 only. What we've actually been reassessed on is'03 to 2012, so there's a number of years in there where they aren't even before the court. So, a court decision pertaining to '03, '05, and '06 from a financial management point of view is very manageable. If we had an adverse outcome, an outcome that we're certainly not expecting we're talking about an immaterial cash impact on us something less than $10 million. To be added to the 50% that we've already parked with that and then of course that decision would have to be appealed if we didn't like it, appealed by the CRA. if they didn't like it so there would be an appeal process that would apply and those appeal process would have to be run through before we were in a position to say what 03, 05 and 06 meant for the years that we've been reassessed 07 to 2012.

Let alone 2013 to 2017, so even though we have a lot of voluntary disclosure out there is just important to emphasize there is no moment where that worst can case scenario is do instead we see a multi-year process to understand the 03, 05, 06 decision to go through the appeals process if that happens to then determine how that decision applies to the years we've been reassessed 07 to 12 and then how that applies to the years that we haven't even been reassessed for, so very manageable it's why we say that that the steps we've taken to build cash maintain our investment grade rating to put us in a position to self manage risk it's with this view that there's a long process that would play out and that would be that and I think that's not a legal description of it that's just the financial management description of the liability Greg

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#13914

Re: Cobas AM: Nueva Gestora de Francisco García Paramés

Como están las redes sociales, si estos días fue FB hoy le han dado para el pelo a Twitter, se le empiezan a ver las costuras al despelote de las FAANG.

#13915

Re: Cobas AM: Nueva Gestora de Francisco García Paramés

El tema es si va a quedar ahi la corrección o salpican después a los demás valores...

#13916

Re: Cobas AM: Nueva Gestora de Francisco García Paramés

Por lo que veo, cuando NGD baja en picado, recesión. Octubre de 2000, septiembre de 2008...

Este verano se está poniendo interesante, pero el otoño puede ser para ponerlo en la mesita de noche... Con una velita.

#13917

Re: Cobas AM: Nueva Gestora de Francisco García Paramés

NGD baja en picado porque el equipo directivo ha sido un sin vergüenza, no creo que lo de ahora presagie ninguna recesión.

#13918

Re: Cobas AM: Nueva Gestora de Francisco García Paramés

Piter en uno de tus post comentaste que UUUU necesitaba unos precios bastante mas altos para ganar dinero, podrias decirme cual es su break even o donde podria encontrar esa informacion?, He estado buscando ese dato pero no lo encuentro. Muchas gracias de antemano. 

#13919

Re: Cobas AM: Nueva Gestora de Francisco García Paramés

Persi, Road y yo hemos analizado TGP y TK hasta aburrir....nos las conocemos de memoria...y claro...no sé..TGP tiene un backlog impresionante...pero...el problema de raíz es que el sistema GP/IDR está un poco "fuera de moda"...no gusta...se ha quedado desfasado..han abusado mucho de ese sistema....y al accionista de TGP no le gusta perder tanto dinero vía IDRs.......son solo impresiones mías...

#13920

Re: Cobas AM: Nueva Gestora de Francisco García Paramés

Yo no tendría cojones para recomendar a mi vecino comprar TK a $9 , primera entrada de Paramés (pre-Brookfield, porque sin Brookfield, TK estaría ahora a $3), en el negocio marítimo, plagado de piratas y mafiosos. Tampoco tendría cojones de recomendarle Aryzta a 32 CHF (never catch a falling knife, sin margen of safety)...y encima el vecino no me paga comisiones. El día que me pague comisiones, le recomendaré comprar a mansalva TKs a $9, Aryztas, Dixons y Petra Diamonds. Y cuanto más deuda tengan, mejor!! Y una de gambas y cinco de ostras, que las pago gustosamente con las comisiones!!!

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